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	<title>Comments on: If you have a CHRISTIAN blog, *why* must you put the CROSS over the JEWISH emblem?</title>
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		<title>By: Tyreeisme!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyreeisme!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we should respect all religions&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we should respect all religions<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Mz.Rahi; Hey!- i said a trim!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mz.Rahi; Hey!- i said a trim!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just finished (and by finished I mean forever!) an all too lengthy discussion with another user who feels we are &#039;blind&#039; and &#039;will mourn he whom we pierced&quot; (oh, the melodrama turns my tummy!) and I&#039;ve come to a simple conclusion-

these people are hopeless.
It&#039;s a lost cause, they want to assimilate us out of existence and into their cult. Period. They claim &#039;love&#039; and &#039;respect&#039; but have neither, they only want to convert us. That is the pinnacle of disrespect.
We are not allowed to defend our own religion without them seeing it as &#039;persecution&#039;-anybody who expects common decency from these people is considered a &#039;persecutor&#039; or &#039;hating jezus&#039; or else they claim we are &#039;threatened&#039; by the love o&#039;jesis (oh yeah, 2000 years of bloody love just warms my little heart.) We have put forth energies on a waste. I no longer believe in a true dialogue between xians and Jews, the ulterior motive is ever-present, the misteachings are too rampant and the desire to believe them too great,  and the narcissism is too deeply embedded, to change a thing.

Of course they feel entitled to use our symbols- what&#039;s that after making off with our torah and changing it to fit their needs? 

Talk about entitlement issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished (and by finished I mean forever!) an all too lengthy discussion with another user who feels we are &#8216;blind&#8217; and &#8216;will mourn he whom we pierced&quot; (oh, the melodrama turns my tummy!) and I&#8217;ve come to a simple end-</p>
<p>these people are hopeless.<br />
It&#8217;s a lost produce, they want to assimilate us out of existence and into their cult. Period. They claim &#8216;like&#8217; and &#8216;respect&#8217; but have neither, they only want to convert us. That is the pinnacle of disrespect.<br />
We are not allowed to defend our own religion lacking them seeing it as &#8216;persecution&#8217;-any person who expects common decency from these people is considered a &#8216;persecutor&#8217; or &#8216;hating jezus&#8217; or else they claim we are &#8216;threatened&#8217; by the like o&#8217;jesis (oh yeah, 2000 years of bloody like just warms my small sensitivity.) We have place forth energies on a dissipate. I no longer believe in a right dialogue between xians and Jews, the ulterior motive is ever-bestow, the misteachings are too rampant and the desire to believe them too splendid,  and the narcissism is too deeply embedded, to change a thing.</p>
<p>Of course they feel entitled to use our symbols- what&#8217;s that after making off with our torah and changing it to fit their needs? </p>
<p>Talk about claim issues.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Leibel JPAA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leibel JPAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not see it as respectful. I think the example would be what if a person who is someone who uses the upside down cross as a symbol of Satan (yes I know they are not true Satanist and more confused kids but I have seen confused kids use). The kid takes the Christian cross and and makes it small but then put the upside down cross over the Christian cross to show whatever he thinks he is showing. I cannot believe a Christian would find that acceptable.
Would a Christian be ok if a Muslims did that with the cross? Made a small cross and put the moon and crescent over it? No. 
It works both ways.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see it as respectful. I reckon the example would be what if a person who is someone who uses the upside down cross as a symbol of Satan (yes I know they are not right Satanist and more confused kids but I have seen confused kids use). The kid takes the Christian cross and and makes it small but then place the upside down cross over the Christian cross to show whatever he thinks he is showing. I cannot believe a Christian would find that acceptable.<br />
Would a Christian be ok if a Muslims did that with the cross? Made a small cross and place the moon and crescent over it? No.<br />
It works both ways.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: emagidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>emagidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True that.

Let&#039;s see, what would happen if our Christian friends started walking the streets of Germany wearing little crematoria necklaces! or France with little guillotines. Or walk around the campus of Howard Univeristy (an all black school) with a tiny hangman&#039;s noose necklace.

Let&#039;s see what reaction they get when they say &quot;No we don&#039;t mean to offend -- it is a symbol of freedom from suffering for us!&quot;

&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right that.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, what would happen if our Christian friends started walking the streets of Germany wearing small crematoria necklaces! or France with small guillotines. Or walk around the campus of Howard Univeristy (an all black school) with a tiny hangman&#8217;s noose ribbon.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what reaction they get when they say &quot;No we don&#8217;t mean to offend &#8212; it is a symbol of freedom from suffering for us!&quot;</p>
<p><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: kismet</title>
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		<dc:creator>kismet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed...
I find his avatar insulting!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed&#8230;<br />
I find his avatar insulting!!!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: mama_pajama_1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama_pajama_1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinhead, I gave you a thumbs UP ..you shouldn&#039;t have gotten thumbs downs for genuinely wanting to know why.
sometimes it is hard to determine what an additional detail is responding to..in that q that was deleted, the response explaining it was a recognition of Jesus being a Jew, that was only to the first answer that stated simply that the avatar was insulting, and it also included the notation that it was a symbol of &quot;Messianic Jews&quot;.  

A half dozen other answers appeared, three, including my own, took the time to make detaild explanation.  Paperback quotes above from one sentence of my explanation.  Cher gave a VERY polite and detailed explanation.

I even included an explanation ( even giving benefit of the doubt that he was genuinely ignorant of the fact that &quot;Messianic Jews&quot; aren&#039;t following any form of Judaism and are Evangelical Christians.  Their congregations are comprised of members with more than 90% entirely non-Jewish ancestry or heritage.  Besides, Judaism IS messianic and it is as redundant to call any sect or branch of Judaism &quot;messianic&quot; as it would be to say &quot;Monotheistic Judaism&quot;


He dismissed and ignored all those responses, yet he responded to the portion of my answer with an edit right after my post  that said it was solicitation by denial of that charge.
Then on his repeat q that you can see above, he attempts to JUSTIFY his continued use of the avatar by blaming that he only received hate and accusation that he received hate mail. Please see the link above and my comments.  I did not give a repeat explanation with the answer at the repeat q..it was unnecessary

While this situation was irritating..I don&#039;t want to sidetrack too much from what I believe the purpose of THIS question is, to ask why ANY Christian would dismiss and disrespect EXPLANATIONS of why such a symbol IS disrespectful of Judaism!

I tried to get an answer from  one by explaining just why it is insulting.   Perhaps this will at least open an eye or two to the insult felt by Jews.

Shalom

thanks for thinking me quoteworthy Paperback :)

edit:  Prefacing a desire for the disapperance of the eternal covenant of God with the Jewish people and for Jews to abandon our faith in God for worship of another religion with claims of love for Jews is oxymoronic.

You love Jews so you want us to abandon Judaism and no longer be Jews...yeah, right. With that kind of love, who needs enemies.

Believing Jews have withstood thousands of years of attempts to do away with the eternal covenant..but we&#039;ll just keep on believing that eternal means just that..eternal. 
Shalom&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinhead, I gave you a thumbs UP ..you shouldn&#8217;t have gotten thumbs downs for genuinely wanting to know why.<br />
sometimes it is hard to determine what an additional point is responding to..in that q that was deleted, the response explaining it was a recognition of Jesus being a Jew, that was only to the first resolution that stated simply that the avatar was insulting, and it also included the notation that it was a symbol of &quot;Messianic Jews&quot;.  </p>
<p>A half dozen other answers appeared, three, including my own, took the time to make detaild explanation.  Paperback quotes above from one condemn of my explanation.  Cher gave a VERY polite and detailed explanation.</p>
<p>I even included an explanation ( even giving benefit of the doubt that he was genuinely ignorant of the fact that &quot;Messianic Jews&quot; aren&#8217;t following any form of Judaism and are Evangelical Christians.  Their congregations are comprised of members with more than 90% entirely non-Jewish ancestry or heritage.  Besides, Judaism IS messianic and it is as redundant to call any sect or branch of Judaism &quot;messianic&quot; as it would be to say &quot;Monotheistic Judaism&quot;</p>
<p>He dismissed and ignored all those responses, yet he responded to the part of my resolution with an edit right after my post  that said it was solicitation by denial of that charge.<br />
Then on his repeat q that you can see above, he attempts to JUSTIFY his continued use of the avatar by blaming that he only received despise and accusation that he received despise mail. Please see the link above and my comments.  I did not give a repeat explanation with the resolution at the repeat q..it was unnecessary</p>
<p>While this situation was irritating..I don&#8217;t want to sidetrack too much from what I believe the purpose of THIS question is, to question why ANY Christian would dismiss and disrespect EXPLANATIONS of why such a symbol IS disrespectful of Judaism!</p>
<p>I tried to get an resolution from  one by explaining just why it is insulting.   Perhaps this will at least open an eye or two to the insult felt by Jews.</p>
<p>Shalom</p>
<p>thanks for thought me quoteworthy Paperback <img src='http://www.jewishfamilyservice.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>edit:  Prefacing a desire for the disapperance of the eternal covenant of God with the Jewish people and for Jews to abandon our faith in God for worship of another religion with claims of like for Jews is oxymoronic.</p>
<p>You like Jews so you want us to abandon Judaism and no longer be Jews&#8230;yeah, right. With that kind of like, who needs enemies.</p>
<p>Believing Jews have withstood thousands of years of attempts to do away with the eternal covenant..but we&#8217;ll just keep on believing that eternal means just that..eternal.<br />
Shalom<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: The Gallant Gryffindor Returns!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gallant Gryffindor Returns!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it seems very spiteful.  There is a cross/Star of David combination on this church near where I live called Shalom Baptist Church...I have no idea how you reckon that one out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it seems very mean.  There is a cross/Star of David combination on this church near where I live called Shalom Baptist Church&#8230;I have no thought how you reckon that one out.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: icecreamdreams_2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>icecreamdreams_2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t think we were supposed to have symbols as christians.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t reckon we were supposed to have symbols as christians.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Jmanlefty_</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jmanlefty_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Age old problem.  They claim the Jews were offended or didn&#039;t know what to think when Christians started wearing these little wooden crosses around their necks in the 4th or 5th century.  Would have been like someone wearing a little guillotine around their neck, in the 1800&#039;s in France.  Felt like a &quot;mockery&quot; to the Jews.  I was raised a Christian.  They&#039;re not intentionally mocking anybody.  To the Christian, that&#039;s how their God, who was also a Jew, died for their sins??  I guess tell the Christians, that the cross is how the Roman Empire slaughtered thousands of the Jews.  Tell them putting it over the Star of David you find offensive?  Maybe they&#039;ll respond?   &lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age ancient problem.  They claim the Jews were offended or didn&#8217;t know what to reckon when Christians started wearing these small wooden crosses around their necks in the 4th or 5th century.  Would have been like someone wearing a small guillotine around their neck, in the 1800&#8242;s in France.  Felt like a &quot;mockery&quot; to the Jews.  I was raised a Christian.  They&#8217;re not intentionally mocking any person.  To the Christian, that&#8217;s how their God, who was also a Jew, died for their sins??  I estimate tell the Christians, that the cross is how the Roman Empire slaughtered thousands of the Jews.  Tell them putting it over the Star of David you find offensive?  Maybe they&#8217;ll respond?   <br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: elyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>elyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a christian, and I love the jewish people. They are God&#039;s chosen people, and He will protect their land and eventually bring them into the full realization that they all seek, ie, the promised Messiah returning to rule and reign from the holy city. However, although I do not ever want to insult or denegrate your beliefs, 2 things cannot be true at once: either Jesus was and is the One you were looking for, or He was not. I know He is, and so shall you one day soon. In the meantime, all true believers continue to pray for your nation and your people. Let us just say that this at least is a common ground, that our hope for your good will be fulfilled, that you are the nation of &quot;promise.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a christian, and I like the jewish people. They are God&#8217;s chosen people, and He will protect their land and eventually bring them into the full realization that they all seek, ie, the promised Messiah returning to rule and reign from the holy city. Though, although I do not ever want to insult or denegrate your beliefs, 2 things cannot be right at once: either Jesus was and is the One you were looking for, or He was not. I know He is, and so shall you one day soon. In the meantime, all right believers continue to pray for your nation and your people. Let us just say that this at least is a common ground, that our hope for your excellent will be fulfilled, that you are the nation of &quot;promise.&quot;<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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