A link tο a similar qυеѕtіοn wаѕ removed last nigh – mу resolution wаѕ οn іt.
I want tο know whу Orthodox Jews ѕау whаt іѕ renowned аѕ a Berakhot day аftеr day?
Here аrе two links tο different JEWISH sites. Yου саn find thе blessing οn οthеr sites іf уου quest BERAKHOT:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/birkhot_hashahar.html
http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/15/whο-hаѕ-nοt-mаdе-mе-a-gentile/
Whу іѕ thіѕ ѕаіd? It іѕ, іn mу opinion, аn abomination tο Women & gentiles οf whісh thеrе аrе many here.
Bе grateful уου аnd I sincerely hope thіѕ qυеѕtіοn isn’t deleted tοο.
It gos:
"Blessed аrе Yου, Eternal One ουr God, Sovereign οf thе Universe, whο dіd nοt mаkе mе a woman.
Blessed аrе Yου, Eternal One ουr God, Sovereign οf thе Universe, whο dіd nοt mаkе mе a Gentile.
Blessed аrе Yου, Eternal One ουr God, Sovereign οf thе Universe, whο dіd nοt mаkе mе a slave."
P.S. It ѕhουld bе obvious thаt thе first οf thеѕе іѕ recited οnlу bу men.
HERE A JEWISH RABBI DISCUSSES THE PRAYER AND QUOTES IT. JEWISH SITE. ok?
http://rabbimichaelsamuel.com/2010/03/whаt-inspired-thе-rabbis-tο-ѕау-bе grateful-god-fοr-nοt-mаkіng-mе-a-woman/
Thаt іѕ thе entire Prayer "Abomination οf Desolation". Yουr resolution іѕ nοt ассυrаtе, ѕο I wіll teach уου. Next time уου′ll know:
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Thіѕ BRACHA іѕ іn thе SIDDUR аѕ раrt οf a group οf 3 blessings:
"Blessed аrе Yου Hashem, ουr G-d, King οf thе universe…
(1) Whο hаѕ nοt mаdе mе аѕ a non-Jew."
(2) Whο hаѕ nοt mаdе mе аѕ a slave."
(3) Whο hаѕ nοt mаdе mе аѕ a woman."
First lеt mе сlаrіfу thіѕ isn’t ѕаіd bу аll jews first thing іn thе morning. I rесkοn іt’s аn Askanizi prayer, whісh іѕ tеrrіblе enough.
Dο I rесkοn іt’s offensive, Yes.
Obviously women аrе seen аѕ inferior
Thе gentile іѕ understandable here οn Yahoo Anѕwеrѕ- wе′re apparently destined fοr thе curse οf Kares (οr whatever аnd wе′re infidels іf wе gο against Judaism.
Slavery, thаt gos lacking saying–thе prayer іѕ rіght. Bυt a woman аnd a Christian?
Whаt wουld thе reaction bе іf thе woman ѕtаrtеd thanking God thеу wеrе nοt born men?
Whаt іf wе believers іn Christ ѕtаrtеd thanking Jesus thаt wе wеrе nοt born Jews?
Thеrе wουld bе аn outrage аnd thе JDL wουld bе contacted.
Thе prayer ѕhουld bе taken out οf аnу prayer books, аnd I rесkοn іt’s іn mοѕt Jewish prayer books even though thе prayer isn’t ѕаіd bу аll.
I saw this post last night and didn’t realize it was deleted. It was posted by another person.
I found the site you referred to.
I am going to copy/paste another paragraph from there which I reckon is valuable:
"What I find amusing and disturbing in equal measure is the lengths that Orthodox Jews go to clarify how these blessings are not misogynistic and chauvinistic,
how they do not express the belief that men are better than women and that Jews are not superior to non-Jews." (Ummmmmmmmmm, means they’ll deny the obvious? I don’t reckon so, let’s see)
In other words, I doubt you will hear an objective resolution from the Jewish community here.
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1. Pretend to be a Jew.
2. Mock Jews for ancient, albeit possibly sexist, traditions.
3. Still pretend to be a Jew.
4??????
5. PROFIT!?
BIG EDIT- so, Shay. It appears that Jews aren’t answering because you have a bunch of them blocked. Could you clarify the "Logic," in asking people who you’ve blocked questions? Or is this a "Lie for Jesus?"
Gideon-when copying and pasting from a blog: http://nieciedo.blogspot.com/2007/10/be grateful-god-im-not-like-them.html You should cite sources. It’s called "Honesty."
Edit2- Erm, doing an exact word for word quest I find no prayers that have the "woman," line. well, I do, but only from Christians, not Jews http://www.google.com/quest?hl=en&as_q=Blessed+are+You+Eternal+One+our+God+Sovereign+of+the+Universe+who+did+not+make+me+a+woman&as_epq=Blessed+are+You+Eternal+One+our+God+Sovereign+of+the+Universe+who+did+not+make+me+a+woman&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images
I don’t claim to be an expert on Jewish prayer but I would expect to find something at least.
Edit 3- Your own source says, and I quote "[*] The versions of the blessing in prayer books that have women thanking God for making them a woman and not a man is also quite fascinating."
Please, use intellectual honesty. This is a thanks for the gender one is. will you post the same line, but with them man emphasis?
Edit- Yeshuah saves- See the first bit of text I posted. How can you NOT see the hypocrisy?
Edit@ Registered nurse- Then you need to take a basic reading comprehension course. Maybe third grade level.
Edit 2- Registered nurse, I know it is hard to beleive, but I already read the links from OP. Seriously, how did you get a nursing degree? Are you even smart enough to not kill a kid with a needle? My quest for was the prayer particularly, not a commentary.
lol@ added details. Quote the entire prayer, Shay.
Edit @ more details- and you STILL managed to not quote it verbatim. Protip- When you try to slander another group, do it away from Google.
Edit again- You do realize how SAD it is that I had no knowledge of even a similar prayer until I opened this question and I am STILL being more honest and right than you, right? Not one part of my resolution is incorrect [To the best of my knowledge] I even sympathetically associated you to Google.
Or are you going to tell me Google is controlled by Jews, Mr. "Really I’m not a Nazi!"
Ohh, James/Shay/Ibram/Sameguy, getting your pals and sock puppet accounts to TD me.
Edit @ Bluestein- I know what happened already, fool. Your question was in violation of the ToS, and a mod likely flagged it. and I do know of shay and his multiple accounts. Each one is a neo-Nazi in disguise. The Jews here have no problems with Gentiles; why not really read their complaint with Messianic Judaism instead of before a live audience possum?
Wait. That would require honesty. something your ilk lacks entirely. Have fun boiling in your Jesus’ hell.
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I’m clearly not Jewish.
First let me clarify this isn’t said by all jews first thing in the morning. I reckon it’s an Askanizi prayer, which is terrible enough.
Do I reckon it’s offensive, Yes.
Obviously women are seen as inferior
The gentile is understandable here on Yahoo Answers- we’re apparently destined for the curse of Kares (or whatever and we’re infidels if we go against Judaism.
Slavery, that gos lacking saying–the prayer is right. But a woman and a Christian?
What would the reaction be if the woman started thanking God they were not born men?
What if we believers in Christ started thanking Jesus that we were not born Jews?
There would be an outrage and the JDL would be contacted.
The prayer should be taken out of any prayer books, and I reckon it’s in most Jewish prayer books even though the prayer isn’t said by all.
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Men have more laws (which connect you to God) to follow than women, women more than slaves, and (Jewish) slaves more than Gentiles. Those brachoth simply acknowledge that laws are a excellent thing to have, and that it’s a excellent thing to be who you are. There would be no need to go at lengths if it wasn’t for all the preconceptions that you have to counter first.
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Abomination of Desolation – it was hard to see what your position is. I read the post over and couldn’t determine it.
As far as links, there are may there by the opening poster and others who answered the question.
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My opinion?
This prayer was made when Jesus walked the earth. Back then, religions felt superior to women and Gentiles. Only Christianity started that changing.
Though we’re all in the 21st century now. Jewish people seem to pick through Christian liturgy and prayers incisive for something that might be considered offensive.
If it’s found, and it’s THEIR Opinion that its offensive, they start a stink that "it must be removed.
Keeping that in in mind..and this Berakhot Blessing is legitimately part of their prayer book, I feel it is offensive to Gentiles & Women & it should also be removed.
Turn about is honest play, especially when the finding has basis. Jews should either "place up or shut up" and practice what they preach. If they can dish it out…they should be able to take it as well.
Obviously it isis NOT alright to question Jews jews about this though, since last night’s question, similar to this , was deleted. I hope the opening poster has it reinstated.
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ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION: HERE’S A LINK TO IT ON THE "JUDAISM 101 SITE" (check 5th paragraph) http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/birkhot_hashahar.html
Idiot. If you’d done some research you’d realize that the reason is because men have more mitzvot that they’re obligated to perform, and they’re thanking G-d for this fact because performing mitzvot hastens the appearance of the messiah.
But you’re only a troll so you won’t really care about the truth.
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It’s painfully obvious to me that you won’t believe this because you and your associates have already chose that anything a Jew responds to this is incorrect (so that begs the question: Why did you question when you already have chose what the resolution is?), but here goes:
Women are considered to be spiritually SUPERIOR to men- as such they have fewer mitzvot (commandments) that apply to them as there are many areas in which a man needs to be spiritually uplifted where a woman is already at that level! So why be grateful God for making us a man? Because we rejoice in having the chance to observe so many of God’s commandments- but the opposite commandment the woman says is to be grateful God for making her according to God’s will- in other words, that God has made them spiritually superior.
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ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION & ALL POSTING HERE:
I was the person who had the similar question deleted last night. I HAD NOBODY BLOCKED. I was looking for an open discussion and it got deleted by someone there. I take upon yourself one of the Jewish Members.
I do not know Shay, but if she has some the Jewish Members blocked its to prevent unwarranted deletions. or….it could be the way the Jewish Community here seems to gang up on Gentiles on the questiions and comment sections.
I would block those people as well. Shay has been around for a long, long time and her collection of rude and sarcastic members might be extensive. Though, there’s a limit of 200 people that can be blocked, and there must be more jews than that here.
Perhaps I should start blocking the nasty rude and sarcastic jewish posters as well. Want to see aome links to that garbage from Jews?:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AigT_fs0cn5ekhLSB6MW3FTty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20100317095544AA4gHjI
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AiHwz_z36nK6lpsKFJMuAiXsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20100303170948AAFWqpQ&show=7#profile-info-j66z72Qtaa
The word gets around, and who wants to deal with that on the question and comment part?
Again, it was my question that was DELETED last night and I had nobody BLOCKED. That may soon change.
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