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jesus 1 came and …
jesus 1 came and opened the door to eternal life. Jesus 2,you, have to live in, for, and by, the truth. And u cant take the mark. The mark you will all know, and when you do, you can no longer use it.
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What ALL …
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What ALL this means is that the translation “THE angel of the Lord” is the GRAMMATICALLY right one, and that YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THOSE SELECTED VERSES IS INCORRECT.
Now, that’s not my personal opinion, but the reality of the administer of translating Hebrew grammar. I encourage you to study about it yourself. You are ALWAYS welcomed to your own opinions.
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In these …
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In these cases, THE DEFINITENESS of the noun is NOT translated as such, but used as a CLASS.
FOR EXAMPLE:
Like the sensitivity of a lion (THE lion in Heb) [2 Sam 17.10]
As one hunts a partridge (THE partridge) [1 Sam 26.20]
As when someone dreams in a famine (THE famine) [Is 29.8]
Like the appearance of an angel of Elohim (THE + Elohim!) [Jud 13.6]
You are lovely in my eyes like an angel of God (Elohim) [1 Sam 29.9]
For like an angel of God (THE + Elohim!) [2 Sam 14.17]
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AS SUCH, …
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AS SUCH, for example, Ben leIise (A son of Jesse), the le (lamed), lets us know that the phrase is indefinite.
As previously stated, this construction of an angel of YHWH DOES NOT OCCUR IN THE HEBREW BIBLE AT ALL. The only phrases that are translated into English with “an angel of YHWH/God” are COMPARISONS, in which SOMEONE is being compared with the angel of the Lord (see Waltke/O’Connor 13.5.1f).
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THE …
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THE GRAMATICAL RULE IS:
“Hebrew CANNOT USE a construct WITH a settled article IN SUCH circumstances (eg., trying to say ‘A son of THE king’) but rather resorts to a PERIPHRASTIC GENITIVE WITH LAMED.”
SO, for example, the phrase ‘a psalm of David’ (with David as a name being settled, obviously) has to use a LAMED PREPOSITION to distance the settled David FROM the indefinite psalm.
AS SUCH, Mizmor leDawid (A psalm of David), the le (lamed) lets us know the phrase is indefinite.
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UNDERSTAND …
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UNDERSTAND THAT FOR INTERPRETERS OF HEBREW TEXTS, it is incorrect to interpret that the verses say ‘AN ANGEL OF YHWH’, because it doesn’t.
As such, they have to interpret it into proper English as the angel of the Lord. SO, HOW would we say in Hebrew an angel of YHWH if we wanted to? The Hebrew really has to use a round about way to say this!
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Sorry, but …
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Sorry, but I don’t agree with you about your interpretation of Thess 4:16. I estimate you didn’t learn anything about Hebrew grammar from my previous postings.
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Not …
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Not again
The 3 [εν] [with] [en] in Thess 4:16 has the meaning of “in the midst of..” or just “in the” thats is, like “togehter”
Like “We dance [en] rain”
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I will …
@nilhav
I will discuss the ressurection tomorrow as it is very late down here. But the scripture in question is HOSEA 6:2
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1 …
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1 thessalonians 4:16 for the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL., with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
this scripture is THE SAME AS SCRIPTURE in Dan 12:1 At that time Michael the splendid prince who protects your people, will rise…..Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake
THESE TWO SCRIPTURES ARE IDENTICAL & show that Michael the archangel is associated with the RESSURECTION, got it?
nilhav
“Ehyeh …
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“Ehyeh asher Ehyeh” to be more accurate.(to Moses)
But i took it from the Revelation 1:8
@nilhav
You …
@nilhav
You wrote ” The NT never claims Jesus is Mikhael”
WRONG!
1 Thessalonans 4:16 And the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL, with the trump of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST
John 5:28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is appearance when all who are in their graves will hear HIS (Jesus) VOICE & come out.
THERE IS ONLY ONE VOICE that the DEAD WILL HEAR. Its the VOICE OF Mikhael the ARCHANGEL, Jesus, OK!
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God said to …
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God said to Moses in Exod 3:14 Ehyeh which means I will Be
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Ahaha, I …
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Ahaha, I don’t need to discuss Mikahel because it’s irrelevant. The NT never claims Jesus in Mikhael so why argue over minute obscure details when we can go straight to the gut with what is claimed. If that can verify that he isn’t God, why do we need to discuss Mikhael? Please! You just want to debate obscure issues that the SDA base themselves on. Lacking it you are nothing, but an another hooker for the madame Roman Church.
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Ahaha. ” …
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Ahaha. “Jesus wasn’t resurrected” that’s all I had to say to shut you up? If you can’t show me a prophecy of the son of David being resurrected after 3 days, then no Jesus was not resurrected.
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Moses Ben …
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Moses Ben Maimon (aka, Maimonides or Rambam, 1135-1204), wrote in his Thirteen Articles of Faith, that BELIEF IN THE MESSIAH WAS REQUIRED FOR A JEW TO BE RESURRECTED. The 12th and 13th articles both deal with Deliverance, which will come in the days of Messiah.
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Isaac …
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Isaac carried the wood to the top of Moriah, for his sacrifice. His obedience to his father Abraham, and the ram caught in the thicket, serves as an illustration of Suffering Messiah of scripture. These types peppered throughout scripture, set the pattern latter fulfilled by Messiah. Surrounded by these types, scripture reveals to us the atoning work of the Suffering Messiah
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The …
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The Messiah, is our (Gaal) KINSMAN-REDEEMER, but to be a kinsman he must be a Son of Man, and thus have the right of deliverance. Consequently, when scripture refers to the LORD as our REDEEMER, it is referring to the role the Messiah would play being both Son of God and Son of Man. (Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 54:5)
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In the …
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In the Tanakh, Job declares the role of deliverance Messiah will play, and the book of Ruth illustrates and applies this messianic concept of REDEMPTION.
Bankrupt Naomi and her daughter-in-law, Ruth are REDEEMED by their near-kinsman-redeemer, Boaz. Ruth then becomes the progenitor Davids family line, and thus in the line of Messiah, since Messiah would be a Son of David and David was Ruths splendid grandson.
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Throughout …
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Throughout scripture, the Lord is called Redeemer[Psalm 19:14, 78:35, Isaiah 41:14, 43:14, 44:6, 44:24, 47:4, 49:7, 49:26, 54:5, 54:8, 59:20, 60:16, 63:16, Jeremiah 50:34 (lag Ga'al)] The word lag Ga’al is applied to God who is called our kinsman-redeemer. To be our kinsman, God must also be Son of Man, hence the need for the incarnation as in scripture.
Being Son of God (Psalm 2:2,7,12) and Son of Man (Daniel 7:13) allows Messiah to redeem humanity from their bankrupt state.
nilhav
Whats your …
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Whats your point hmmm?
1 kings 10:14
{ Now the weight of gold which came in to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold }
That what means?
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“Thus says …
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“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, AND HIS REDEEMER, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Isaiah 44:24
AND WHO IS THAT REDEEMER?
For your Maker is your husband, The Lord of hosts is His name; AND YOUR REDEEMER IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; He is called the God of the whole earth. Isaiah 54:5
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Any person …
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Any person could claim to be messiah, but lacking assembly the qualifiers, they became disqualified from their claim.
Just with a few qualifiers, most of the earths population could be eliminated from the pool of humanity, as a potential Messiah.
Son of Man= 50% of the population eliminated
From Bethlehem= 99.99% of the earth population
Son of David=99.9999% of the earth population
Before the 2nd Temple destruction=99.99999999% of the earths population eliminated.
@nilhav
You …
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You wrote “No I am not discussing Mikhael”
I KNEW IT! YOU ARE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH!
Mikhael is God of gods!!
That is all there is to it! You are worried to CONFRONT THE TRUTH
Thanks for CONFIRMING WHAT I KNOW IS THE TRUTH!
DISCUSSION OVER!
Thanks for the chance. I really appreciate it.
God richly bless
nilhav
I lost …
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I lost you here.
When the God says “I will be”????
In what comment you resolution?