Comments on: Judaism,Christianity or Islam by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat (2/12)

By: hchsbp1

hchsbp1 — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:58 +0000

@WaysOfMan
I urge …
@WaysOfMan
I urge you to use sources other than wikipedia. Here are a link of books by reputable historians and scholars, regarding the spread of Islam (note that they are non-Muslims)

1- The History of Islam in Africa – Nehemia Levtzion
2- Islamic Revolution – Bernard Lewis
3- Islam – Brian Turner
4- Encyclopedia of the Qur’an Vol. 5 – Jane Dammen & Leisden McAuliffe

Read up on Islam by other reputable scholars:
1- Sir Thomas Arnold
2- Marshall G.S. Hodgens
3 – Karen Armstrong

Peace

By: WaysOfMan

WaysOfMan — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:57 +0000

Wikipedia lists …
Wikipedia lists many sources for its information.
“Under the law, children of male citizens [in Saudi Arabia] are considered Muslim, regardless of the people or the religious tradition in which they have been raised.”
Also Alladhdad incident of Mashhad with the Jedid al Islam.
Or Orphan’s Decree of Yemen until 1948 of orphaned dhimmi

Non-Wikipedia Sources:
Qur’an 2:193, 9:5, 9:11, 9:29
Sahih Muslim 1:33, 19:4294
Bukhari 2:24, 8:387, 53:392, 59:643, 60:40
Ibn Ishaq 959

By: hchsbp1

hchsbp1 — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:56 +0000

@WaysOfMan
TWO
2) …
@WaysOfMan
TWO
2) The ahadith are to be taken in conjunction with the Qur’an. Tell me again, what does this have to do with “forced conversion”?? These verses and ahadith are talking about times of war.

It seems rather obvious that ur knowledge of Islam is dependent upon christian apologists. Far from historians, they are propagandists who seek to validate the fake beliefs of Christianity by ATTEMPTING to point out faults in Islam.

By: hchsbp1

hchsbp1 — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:56 +0000

@WaysOfMan
ONE
My …
@WaysOfMan
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My friend, please do not attempt to quote passages from the Qur’an or ahadith that you have absolutely no understanding of. Copying and pasting will only expose ur reliance upon ignorance.

1) Qur’an 2:193 – Does the passage start and stop there?? Try starting from verse 190 and work ur way down…
Qur’an 9:5 & 11, 29 – Once again, try starting from the beginning of the chapter and work ur way down.

Continued…

By: WaysOfMan

WaysOfMan — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:55 +0000

@hchsbp1
1)So I …
@hchsbp1
1)So I take upon yourself you’ve already researched the Jedid al Islam in Mashhad and the Orphan’s Decree?
2)”please do not attempt to quote passages from the Qur’an or ahadith that you have absolutely no understanding of”
That’s a typical Christian resolution. Nice.
3)You are right about 2:193 I hadn’t meant to include that one.
9:5, 11 is referring to after the terms of a treaty has passed
9:29 is not talking about war at all nor is its context
4) Who is initiating that war in the Hadiths and why?

By: hchsbp1

hchsbp1 — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:54 +0000

@WaysOfMan
You see …
@WaysOfMan
You see, now ur dancing around the subject. Have u even read the hadith u are referencing? Did u see the conditions that must be place to the enemy?

All of God’s Prophets were Commanded to uphold God’s Laws. Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to manking, whereas all the other Messengers were sent to point nations only.

It was his mission to bring the rule of God to mankind. There is NOTHING about “forced conversion”.

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By: WaysOfMan

WaysOfMan — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:54 +0000

@hchsbp1
Research …
@hchsbp1
Research the Spanish Inquisition
Christians did the same thing. They make war on those that are not Christian. They call it the “Holy Office of the Inquisition”. You call it “jihad”. In both cases the ‘enemy’ was doing nothing. See Sahih Muslim 19:4294 where the Imam is on an expedition and wants to know what to do when he meets other people.

By: hchsbp1

hchsbp1 — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:53 +0000

@WaysOfMan
TWO
In …
@WaysOfMan
TWO
In the hadith u have quoted, there are three conditions set to the people whom the armies were sent to. None of the three conditions were to force anyone to convert to Islam.

When the Muslim armies fought, they only fought the opposing army. They never killed any innocent people. When they won, they never forced anyone to convert to Islam.

They were though, brought under the Laws of God,which are the most Just laws renowned to mankind.

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By: WaysOfMan

WaysOfMan — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:52 +0000

@hchsbp1
(Sorry …
@hchsbp1
(Sorry couldn’t edit previous post so I had to add this here)
I am not trying to stick up for Christians. I reckon Christians are splendid at killing the disbelievers. All I am saying is that its not ONLY Christians who force conversions. There are documented cases throughout history of this as I mentioned earlier. Just as there is of the Christians. In this at least Islam is on par with Christians.

By: hchsbp1

hchsbp1 — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:45:52 +0000

@WaysOfMan
THREE
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@WaysOfMan
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Sharia’a Law is better than any other law man has ever come with. I would LOVE to debate with you in regards to this topic in particular.

Your point was to try to verify that Islam forces people to convert. Nothing from what you quoted says this.

So u have failed in attempting to verify ur main point.